I want to understand something about “Awaiting settlement” and “Dividend Payment”.
I have bought TDGB (VanEck Ms Developed Markets Div Lead) shares the 1st of September.
07-Sep-22 was the “Ex-Dividend Date”
14-Sep-22 was the “Payment Date”
As of today, my purchase is still “Awaiting settlement”.
Will the dividend be paid to me or not in this case?
The settlement of the purchase won’t affect your dividend eligibility. If you bought it before the Ex-date (as you outlined above) you’ll be eligible to receive the security.
I haven’t had a chance to look at TDGB (I’ll follow up with our Ops team today). But I suspect the delay is due to the of admin, clearing and reconciliations steps that need to happen before it shows in your account (there’s also a claims process we sometimes have to follow on our side).
I have just received my first dividend in InvestEngine.
Unfortunately, it is considerably lower than what I was expecting from my calculations.
- The 01-Aug-22 I bought 11.5171 shares of TDGB @£28.11 = £323.69
- The 01-Sep-22 I bought 3.927401 shares of TDGB @£28.41 = £111.58
- The 07-Sep-22 was the “Ex-Dividend Date”
- The 14-Sep-22 was the “Payment Date”
The dividend value was EUR 0.32 (source: TDGB Dividends - VanEck ETFs)
which is equal to GBP 0.28 (source: https://www.justetf.com/uk/etf-profile.html?query=NL0011683594&groupField=index&from=search&isin=NL0011683594#dividends)
11.5171 + 3.927401 = 15.444501 Shares owned
15.444501 Shares x GBP £0.28 dividend a share = £4.32446028
The dividend I received was just £3.65 instead (£0.23633 a share).
I understand some currency exhcange fee, but 15.5964% is quite a discrepancy. This can add up quite quickly with all dividends and overtime.
Can anyone explain me this particular case please?
I’m not in Investengine, but I know there is 15% withholding tax on Dutch etf dividends which explains most of the seeming discrepancy. The rest (2p) is probably just that the exact EURO to GBP exchange rate doesn’t result in quite exactly 28p per share dividends. Hope this helps.
I got the same dividend payout as you i.e. roughly 15% less than you might expect. A quick Google search does indicate that there is such a thing as a Dutch 15% withholding tax, but whether this is the explanation needs input from someone with more expertise than me.
BTW, the dividend data hyperlink you provided has a link at the bottom of the page that will do the Euro/GBP conversion for you.
Yeah it is definitely the Dutch withholding tax.
Kinda difficult keep track of these details for every fund in different jurisdiction.
Does anyone know a reliable source/website when it is possible to find simply net dividend payment per fund?
It is crucial for my investment calculations and monthly choices. I didn’t account for this unexpected 15% extra tax for the TDGB found for example.
Thanks all for your answers btw.
If your decision to invest or not is based on withholding taxes then have a look here to see what the rates are for different countries on whether is worth investing or not.
Having said that, it would be nice if InvestEngine could provide a bit more information in their transaction logs and emails.
but then from your table it looks like Ireland Withholding tax for not resident is 25%, while no tax has ever been withheld from Ireland domicile funds.
I have only noticed the 15% Dutch tax which matches the tables you shared.
I don’t understand why Ireland dividend tax is 0%… and so I’m not sure what to expect from other jurisdictions…
Use the PricewaterhouseCoopers link I listed above purely as a suggestive guideline if google does not present any better options. All in all if you are not happy with the tax a particular stock dividend, then sell it and get something else listed on another exchange where taxes are lower or no taxes at all. Having said that, wait till you get your first dividend from a German company. Guaranteed you’ll brick yourself as their tax rates are astronomical - in the region of 26.38%
Regarding the Irish tax/no-tax issue, it is better explained here: Ireland - Corporate - Withholding taxes
There are no Germany-domicile funds in InvestEngine available as far as I know, but I have France and Luxembourg domicile securities, I wonder how those dividends from those will be taxed.
My Bad. I should have clarified. I was referring to any and all stocks and shares that you can buy on an exchange anywhere in the world. Example LSE, NYSE, NASDAQ, AMS, ETR, FRA and so on. Not just ETF’s available on InvestEngine. As it is, InvestEngine only offer ETF’s that are listed on the London Stock Exchange no matter where the ETF are domiciled. I assumed that you had other investments in addition to ETF’s, maybe on other platforms or brokerages. You cannot buy popular American ETF’s because of, you know, Europe. Thats where the UCITS thing in the name comes in. Look it up on Investopedia for more info on this.
Hi @UncleBob FYI I have passed along your suggestion to have more information provided to the relevant team.
Regarding the witholding tax query, is always best to speak with your tax advisor regarding this.