In specie transfer out

Hello, thank you for getting in touch. While we are able to process SIPP transfers out in-specie, the functionality for ISA and GIA transfers is still being developed. Please be assured that we will post updates here and in our socials once this has been released

Hi IE team, any update on in-specie transfer out of ISA. Are you fearing mass exodus from your platform if you implement this feature? Very happy with platform till now but delay in implementing in-specie transfer of ISA is not good. It is like feeling of locked in with platform. It is also restricting many of us to transfer big assets in the from of ETF. Please do something.

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Thank you for your feedback and for your continued support of the platform. We understand your concerns regarding the in-specie transfer out feature, and we want to assure you that our team is actively working on its development. While we don’t have a specific release date yet, we will keep you updated and share any news here as soon as we have more information. We appreciate your patience as we work to improve the platform, and we’re committed to delivering the best experience for our users.

Morning :grinning: :wave:

Well… the “in-specie transfers out” has been on the roadmap since at least March 2023 as per Paul Gichemi’s post - so by now 2 years!

I find it appalling that after all this time you still come here saying things like “we want to assure you that our team is actively working on its development” and “we don’t have a specific release date yet” and all the other nice and hollow phrases which seem to creep up more and more again in these replies.

As per Paul’s post “in-specie transfers out” were, already at the time, “set for release in the coming months”. Somehow I don’t think that this reads as “more than 2 years later” but I might be mistaken.

If after 2 years of development the team working on it is not able to present workable options and solutions - I don’t know but… maybe start making changes to the team and recruit people who can?

As you don’t advise any actual information regarding timelines and completion dates - do at least your investors know?

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agree.
why wait for in specie transfer and be out of the market for several days maybe weeks?
‘take profit’ and transfer as cash will be much faster.

i am happy with IE and will invest again next isa year but i am starting to de risk.

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I do find it irritating that IE continually make these sorts of promises and time just goes by with no progress. For example, SIPP transfers in have been in progress for around a year and still no progress.
I do wish that IE simply state that “we will not be announcing any new features until they have been introduced”.
I appreciate that IE are trying to be helpful in stating their roadmap but with numerous non-delivery customers simply get fed up with waiting and make other arrangements.
I too have a roadmap to transfer-out (using cash) all my accounts but for me I have dates or events when each transfer is going to happen. Currently I am 60% the way through that roadmap.

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I can’t help but suspect the reason InvestEngine has been ignoring my question from a while ago (In specie transfer out - #31 by xray) is because all the previous claims were just empty promises—and not a single line of code has actually been written.

Honestly, it would be better if you just said this feature won’t be supported before 2035, rather than keeping the whole community in limbo with vague communication and an overuse of the word “soon.”

InvestEngine, can you provide any proof or evidence that anything has actually moved forward?

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Long ago I realised that IE’s promises are just empty promises and are very unlikely to happen any time show.
Generally, only take any announcements as real when you can actually use them now.

Hi! Please be assured that we are working on this feature and once it is introduced, we will post updates here and in our socials

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From all this I gather the strategy here is to have as many locked in as possible, even while running a loss (which IE is atm) and after a certain critical mass, expect a buy out. Many start-ups aim for that and is very profitable to the board/founders. The rest of the talk is mostly palliative in nature which is also absolutely how businesses with such a model operate.

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@user3612

Morning :grinning: :wave:,

If you have a looksee on Crowdcube I’m sure you could find the documents submitted for the crowdfunding raises in 2022 and 2023.

I think you’d be able to find something in there about possible exit strategies for investors.

For me personally, having the option to do an in-specie transfer out is helpful but the most important thing for me is that IE is able to keep their SIPP fee free. So my question to IE is this: Are you able to provide a commitment that you will not introduce platform fees for existing SIPP holders if later down the line, you decide to introduce fees? This commitment would go along way at reassuring us clients.

Hi all! Thank you for the continued interest in the introduction of the in-specie transfers out feature. While we can confirm it still remains in our roadmap to introduce in-specie transfers out, I’m afraid we still do not have any further news or a precise indication on when to expect them. You can however be assured the team is aware of client’s interest in it and it will be made available as soon as we are able to.

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The term ‘soon’ typically implies a timeframe of less than a year. Otherwise, InvestEngine would have specified a longer period, such as ‘in a year,’ ‘in two years,’ or even ‘by 2035.’ My take is that it’s either never happening or not until 2035.

It meant longer than a year with both pensions and any transfers in.

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This is surely a joke at this point. How hard can it be to

  1. Sell fractional parts down to cash, so ETF holdings are now whole shares only.

  2. transfer whole holdings via CREST in thebl traditional way.

  3. transfer the residual as cash.

The receiving party doesn’t need to be made aware any of this is happening prior to transfer. This would be preferably as enough providers get confused and bungle transfers as-is.

Just send a notification or email to us to confirm what will happen when you receive a transfer request.

A junior dev could implement this in weeks.

As others have mentioned this feature being missing has serious tax implications for GIAs and huge costs for being out of volatile markets (like now)

Trading212 have figured this out.

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It’s a method to discourage people from leaving the platform. A bit short-sighted as, once it becomes common knowledge, it will discourage people from joining the platform but…

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In the highly competitive world of investment platforms, customer trust and security are paramount. Being able to transfer holdings out via In-specie should be considered one of the most basic and essential features offered to clients, particularly when managing their hard-earned money. The ability to have full control over investments, including the option to move assets seamlessly to another provider, is a cornerstone of any well-regarded platform.

I am concerned that this limitation may raise doubts in the minds of potential clients who are considering your services. Flexibility and control are key factors that investors look for, and the inability to transfer holdings in this manner could lead to a perceived lack of transparency or security in your platform.

As a company striving to gain traction in such a competitive space, I believe that prioritizing In-specie transfers would help build trust and demonstrate a commitment to meeting the needs of investors. Offering this functionality would not only improve the user experience but also increase your platform’s attractiveness to a broader audience.

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Just wanted to share my frustration—it’s honestly unacceptable that Investengine still don’t allow in specie transfers. This should be a basic feature by now, yet has been in development since 2023. Forcing people to liquidate assets just to move them creates unnecessary costs, tax implications, and exposes us to market timing risks.

In specie transfers are standard in the industry for a reason—they’re efficient and in the best interest of the clients. Blocking them feels like a way to make things more difficult or to discourage people from moving their money.

Please prioritise this and do the right thing for all of your clients.

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Would like to add to the disappointment here. The lack of in-specie transfers out doesn’t fill me with confidence with this platform.

Appreciate there are issues with fractional shares of ETFs, however, the easiest way around that is to liquidate the fractions and then transfer the whole shares and cash to new provider.

The lack of this functionality makes me question whether I want to stick with IE, given it’s been over 2 years since IE promised this feature I’m now seriously considering just liquidating everything and moving to a platform where this is possible.

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